Conor Heun is the closest thing MMA has to a Shaman, a master of the
elements, finely in tune with the earth and the energies of the world
around him. I've come to grips with that, and I hope you can too,
because you're going to have to by the time you finish this interview.
Rather than stand atop a mountain in Colorado guiding wary souls gently
back onto their lost paths, Conor Heun is channeling his energies into
fighting for now, and the next opponent he plans on sharing the cage
experience with is Ryan Couture, which will be going down at Tate Vs.
Rousey.
We discussed his upcoming opponent, Conor's training regimen and his
methods for righting one's internal path via the use of hallucinogens in
this interview conducted by Elena Lopez.
Do you think Ryan Couture is a little bit over his head in his future bout with you?
You know he's a tough kid but I don't think he's fought anyone like me.
He's a pro fighter sure, but I look at his fights and I look at my
fight with KJ Noons for example. I learned a lot from that fight with KJ
as far as fighters staying outside and scoring points. Couture is going
to be in a fight not a point match I'm going to bring him a war. If he
beats me it's a huge step up for him I'm not sure if he's willing to go
as far as I'm willing to go to win the fight. He fought my friend
Bollinger at Tuff E Nuff in an amateur fight and they went to a draw.
Bollinger is a real tough kid so he's good but his heart, hands and
conditioning in that fight were nowhere near my level. Ryan's gonna have
a real tough time.
The Majority of his wins are by submission, how will you handle that?
He's obviously proficient. I've watched his fights but his opponents
have made mistakes I'm not going to make. I took second at Grapplers
Quest out here and I was taking down other finalists, he took third in
state in high school wrestling and never wrestled in college. I took
second and went on to wrestle five years at college so he has nothing on
me. The only place where it he might have the advantage is because he
has I guess what we can call 'Ring Generalship'? He's very intelligent
and he's going to know the rules and how to fight and how to win. He fights to win on points, I fight to tear people's heads off their body. That's the difference between him and me.
I know he has some submission wins, but he doesn't seem to throw
anything with bad intentions. I haven't seen any weapons out of him that
look like they can do damage. He has some knees, but they don't look
devastating, he has nothing I haven't seen.
It seems like you're always switching from Colorado to Hollywood, why is that?
I like to train at altitude. I trained out New Mexico a bit for my last
fight. The only thing to fear in a fight is running out of gas. When I
train at altitude, I'm sure that I will be able to have the gas tank I
need so I can put the pedal to the metal when I'm in the cage. Knowing
that I can go so hard like that frees me from all worrying or doubt. I
just open up. Outside that I've been training with GSP's old wrestling
coach and he is great. I'm working out with Marquardt and Ed Herman and
tough, tough guys. Running up peaks and doing all these mountain runs
with weight vests. The altitude and training partners out in Colorado
puts me in a place where I'm just so confident in the work I put in,
that I'll be able to just go out there and have fun when the time comes.
That's what he has to look forward to. I immerse myself in this to
improve my self and I let that inner animal out, to be my primal self
and having a full gas tank is important in that.
After your last fight with Magno Almeida, you cut a video encouraging all fighters not to tap out. Do you still stand by it?
You know, I'm trying to evolve, I'm trying to learn from my mistakes. I
guess it really depends on the moment. If it's other people no I'm
going to say tap out, tap out right away. For me I want to keep the
match going. Self preservation is great for other people, for me I would rather die than lose.
When I go out there I go out there to lay it down. Going out there with
that mentality that I have that my training is right and I've done what
I can so I can be free to take whatever the combat has for me in the
cage. No I don't recommend anyone not to tap. But for me as a Colorado
fighter that's my choice. I'm not going to tap.
Speaking of tappping out, do you think the earth will submit to whatever 2012 apocalypse the Mayans foretold?
No the Earth won't. We are just a minor problem for the Earth right
now. As far as if the Mayans are right and we're wiped out? I don't know
but if something happens I'll be up in the mountains of Colorado
leading the army of the new world.
How can a person increase their enjoyment of life?
Learning to live in the moment not the future, not the past, and to
free themselves from worry and just breathe and focus on the gift that
is the present moment. Know that every breath is a blessing and every
moment is such a gift and so beautiful. If you're worrying about the
future then you are missing out on the moment. Forget past mistakes,
live.
Why did you choose 10th planet (as a gym)?
When I moved out to California in 2006 I was working a desk job
selling dental equipment and I really missed the competition. I was
talking to my college roommate and I was saying how I wanted to go out
and mix it up and he told me about Eddie Bravo. There was a guy out by
me who was teaching Jiu Jitsu without the funny costume and so I went
down, he invited me in and so I jumped in with both feet. Eddie was the
first guy I ever trained with and no gi is a lot like wrestling and best
of all it was close to my house so the rest is history.
So you prefer no gi to a gi?
Yeah, well, I think the gi game is beautiful. I think it's a different
game and fun, when I'm done competing I'm sure I'm going to immerse
myself into the gi game. It's slower, the holds are different, tighter
and more control. It's not as explosive a game, like wrestling, it's a
slower game. My dad trains with a gi and has a great time. One day I
will put focus on it, but guys aren't wearing a gi when I fight
them...so.
Can you tell us the most satisfying experience you had under the influence of a hallucinogen? Feel free to explain in detail.
The biggest thing that hallucinogens provide for me is the sense of
'one'. You know, we are all one. The acute sense that everything is
right in the world. Like I said it's easy to get caught up in the future
or the events of the past. But when under the influence of
hallucinogens or psychedelics, I think that it sort of breaks down that
sense of self or self-importance maybe. It heightens that connection to
our fellow man and Earth and to our relatives that have passed. Every
time that I've experienced something like that it just reaffirms my
faith in the path that I'm on. These sacraments are something I may take
at the start of my training camp and then again, maybe right after a
fight just to check in with the universe and check in with the universal
consciousness to make sure I'm on the right path.
One of the best experiences I’ve had was on psilocybin following my
loss to Jorge Gurgel. I had blown out my knee a week before the fight
and had really gotten beat up in the fight trying to stand with him
because I couldn’t shoot off my right leg. I was really down on myself
and was questioning if the sport was something I wanted to continue to
be involved with. I was out in the middle of the desert and I was
meditating and the clouds just sort of convened above me and I looked up
to the sky and just sort of felt a sense of being embraced by the
universe and wrapped up in this blanket of unconditional love. I saw
myself fighting Jorge on TV and then the perspective shifted and pulled
back and I saw that what I was doing in the fight was so small and tiny
in the overall universal perspective. I saw that what I was doing was
tiny and insignificant but I also saw that it was just one tiny moment
but that it was part of a much greater cosmic battle of positive vs.
negative forces in the world. I saw that by fighting with all my heart I
enable people to do whatever it is that they do with all of their
hearts. I saw that the outcome of the fight was insignificant, what was
important was that I gave everything I had to my purpose and that I did
it with love and integrity. I saw how if everyone approached everything
in this manner that the positivity in the world would overcome the
darkness. I cried and cried because I felt so thankful for being able to
be apart of the battle in the big picture, a battle for love and
compassion for our fellow man.
Is there any type of mental preparation you practice in order to not have a 'bad' hallucinogenic experience?
You just have to be open to the experience. A 'bad' experience? I
wouldn't label anything as bad. Losing a fight isn't bad, breaking a
bone isn't bad. It's all those types of things that people put words and
judgements on, it's short sighted. If you go through something that
might be 'scary' or that shows you something traumatic it's just
something that you can learn from. Hallucinogens are a natural teacher.
look at all of our teachers. Sometimes you win a fight, sometimes you
lose the fight sometimes it hurts, you have to go in with an open mind
to draw from the experience and sometimes the lesson may not be the lesson you are hoping for or expecting
but if you approach this with the proper respect and mindfulness, not
as something to be used as a party drug or have a nice time, you can
learn a lot. I use it as a sacred experience. It's a sacrament to me
that enables me to expand my mind and my consciousness and it opens my
eyes to the energy around me. If it's something scary or weird, what I'm
learning to do is acknowledge it. If I'm feeling scared then I dive
deeper and I think about how I'm scared. Why do I feel that way? I allow
it to wash over me. Too many pass judgement and label something as bad,
like oh this is a bad trip because you aren't seeing or feeling
something you wanted. You're experience is different than your expected
experience. The key is to free yourself from your expectations. I just
go in and I search for the teachings. Whatever comes is what was meant
to come.
Anything else you would like to add?
I just want to send my love to my opponent Ryan Couture. I wish the
best for him and the training camp goes wonderful and I hope he tests me
and pushes me to my limits and I do the same to him so we can both take
something from this experience.
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